Working on Mastering Tung

I have finally completed the entire training of five weekends in New York city with Susan Johnson, finishing the final advanced weekend last month.It is so exciting for me to learn a new Master Tung point and see how it works!The latest point I have been using is Gallbladder 11.13 (opposite side as the pain) and Liv3 (on the same side as a guiding point) for knee pain.This worked really well on a patient who has an old knee injury from a skiing accident.I like being able to treat knee pain with only three needles!I have also been doing more cupping and bloodletting and I feel that it is possible to integrate these modalities into our style of practice, for one thing they don’t take all that much time.Cupping takes 10 minutes at the most, and bloodletting can be done very quickly.The best part about the cupping is that they usually feel much better right away.These two techniques work so well I can’t imagine doing without them.I did not get rid of my treatment table so I do the cupping on it in a room separate from the acupuncture room so people can disrobe privately.

In the last weekend of the workshop with Susan she went over treatment strategies and point combinations for various syndromes.  Susan talks pretty fast sometimes so I am glad I had a friend who was recording everything and emailed me the transcript.  I really enjoyed the part where we had a chance to locate and needle some of the commonly used points on another student under supervision so I can be exact about the point location.I am continuing to enter these treatment strategies into my Point Combinations for Master Tung cheat sheet where I list the point combos alphabetically by syndrome.If you want a copy please email me and I can send it to you.My email address is

I must say that it is a daunting process learning all these new points and starting to use them, but it’s coming together for me little by little.  I think the wintertime will be a good time to dive in deep and really start to master this system, I want to take it apart and understand it on a deep level.  I haven’t really been thinking much about how revolutionary an approach this is but I got reminded of this when a TCM acupuncturist visited my clinic to see how it runs, she couldn’t believe it when I did a very deep needle in BL65 and Si3 so she asked lots of questions and I suggested that she start with Dr. Tan’s book Acupuncture 1,2,3 which she already had.I may have gotten a new recruit for CAN, she said she would at a look at the site!

Author: thomasriordan

<p> Tom Riordan has been involved with Eastern philosophy and healing arts since 1990. After earning a B.A. in History at the University of Massachusetts in Boston, he spent four years working at the Kripalu Center for Yoga and Health in the Berkshire Mountains of Massachusetts. In addition to daily hatha yoga and meditation practice there, Tom completed the Kripalu Yoga Teacher Training the Kripalu Bodywork Training. </p> <p> Tom is a graduate of The New England School of Acupuncture, in Newton, MA, the oldest accredited acupuncture school in the United States. He maintained a private practice for several years in Columbia, Missouri. He was the first person to be licensed to practice acupuncture in that city. He became very active in the State acupuncture association by serving as secretary for two years and treasurer for one year. Tom is certified by the National Council for the Certification of Acupuncture and Oriental Medicine (NCCAOM) and he is licensed to practice in Massachusetts. </p> <p> He currently practices in Medford, MA where he has maintained a community acupuncture clinic since 2007. </p>

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  1. Sweet

    Thanks for the point combo, I can’t wait to try it out on my next knee pain person. Probably Monday at the detox centre.

    Oh, how I envy you ‘mericans and your easily (more so than up here) accessible training seminars. 

    On a slight tangent, do you think that Susan would be willing to put on a special Dong treatment seminar for CAN folk with an emphasis on limiting the points to arm & leg points?

    Thanks again. 

  2. Ditto…….I have been

    Ditto…….I have been using heart knee 11.09 but I haven’t tried 11.13.  I will give it go on the next appropriate knee patient.  We have lots.


    Thanks I sent my email address for copies of notes 

  3. Tung

    Most of the Tung points ARE on the arms and legs, the torso and back points are exclusively for bloodletting.  Tung does use a lot of upper leg points such as Four Horses.  A CANer at the seminar told me that he asks patients to bring shorts if he needs to use those points and has some pairs of shorts on hand in case they forget.

    I started using Gallbladder 11.13 when Heartknee wasn’t working for a knee pain patient.  Susan said that there are usually at least three Tung treatment strategies for most common problems.

    A few of you emailed me some good questions, I am happy to help out in any way I can! 

    Tom Riordan Lic.Ac.

  4. Tung points can work like miracles.
    Went to Susan J. classes and started using Dr. Young Tung Books, which are awesome. Then I purchased the Maher books and it really expanded the point options. For example: A patient who had no relief whatsoever when needling to treat where the pain was running by opening the bladder and gallbladder channels. This patient had no health history of health problems outside of the sciatica, but was in their late 60’s, pale, easily fatigued. Took all the needles out, added points that treat sciatica due to heart insufficiency induced. I gently stimulated the needles while she flexed her knee and the pain went away in about 30 seconds. So simple.
    The book has sciatic treatments for lung insufficency induced, defective liver and lung function induced, lung disease induced, loss of regulation of kidney function induced, heart-brain induced. What a gold mine of information.
    The book is “Advanced Tung Style Acupuncture: Neurology
    by James H. Maher, he is a D.C. with a degree in Oriental Medicine and has his Dip. Ac. with NCCAOM